Human Rights are Permanent
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6:59 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
how about that city council, eh?
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3:18 AM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
3:18 AM
press conference in 2 hours
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Monday, May 30th, 2022
3:18 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
@tabooli which platform point would you change first to what?
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3:20 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
tabooli yes which is the first platform point you disagree with at the second link @ adamgolding.ca? What about the platform at socialistalliance.ca? We had our convention this weekend but will continuously update the platform based on ongoing feedback -- we are also recruiting more candidates actively.
3:31 PM <fris>
we only response to people with .com's
3:34 PM <•ayds> dat boi
adamgoldi: Do you have any kind of personality beyond being a radical unelectable "politician"?
3:34 PM <•ayds> dat boi
tabooli: You tell me
3:39 PM
A linktr.ee page without any OnlyFans links? What the hell
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adamgoldi: FYI there is nobody in here located in University-Rosedale.
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adamgoldi: What's your opinion on the monarchy?
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•ayds set the topic: 2022-05-30 - ICU 147 (+2; -5 vs last week) | Get the jab | <tabooli> I had a real boner today
3:47 PM <•ayds> dat boi
!news toronto
3:47 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
ayds listen to my music links at adamgolding.ca or watch my interviews there
3:47 PM <•geekmoon3> Geekmoon V3 - Fuck your mother!
1: 2 York region schools put in 'hold and secure' after teens made threat with fake guns, police say
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2: 'Heart-stopping' video captures GO train nearly hitting 3 young people in Toronto
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3: Toronto plastic surgeon accused of malpractice and disappearing with patients' money has licence suspended
3:47 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
ayds or come to the event I host wednesdays at 669 college we can chat
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ayds: The monarchy... I wouldn't miss it
3:48 PM <•ayds> dat boi
How does an anarchist run for government 😂
3:48 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
ayds my wife is english and she wouldn't miss it either
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ayds: chomsky is an anarchist and he votes democrat
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anarchism is skepticism applied to power
3:49 PM <•ayds> dat boi
There's a difference between operating within an existing political system for survival (voting democrat) and trying to literally become the government
3:49 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
well I used to be of The Pirate Party of Canada
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I would seek to implement direct democracy softare by government ccomission
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I mean.. I necer left the pirate party lol
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it just went dormant
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*never
3:50 PM <•ayds> dat boi
adamgoldi: No offense my dude, and I consider myself socialist, but you come across as an edgy teenager with your presentation and views. You're not electable.
3:50 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
I also want to see more "Democracy at Work" along the lines of what Richard Wolff talks about
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ayds I assure you, I won't take any offense
3:50 PM <•ayds> dat boi
👍
3:50 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
have you read our platform at socialistalliance.ca ?
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We have four candidates so far
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I have another test platform listed at adamgolding.ca near the top
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if you object to specific policies please tell us, we revise our platform based on feedback
3:51 PM <•ayds> dat boi
I went to the site earlier and I didn't see a platform. Again, part of being electable is presentation, and whatever _that_ is sucks
3:51 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
other parties can copy our work later
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at adamgolding.ca it says "Would you vote for this platform in October?"
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that's the one I wrote
3:53 PM <•ayds> dat boi
...a wall of text on Facebook. It's kind of cringe, man.
3:53 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
lol do you want me to drop off a flyer?
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Here you can comment and I respond in real-time whenever I can, as you can see in the discussion already present.
3:54 PM <•ayds> dat boi
For a municipal election for a riding I'm not in? No thanks
3:54 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
I am the only candidate you'll meet on IRC I bet, lol
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we will try to run as many candidates on this platform in other wards as we can--what warda re you in, btw?
3:55 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Spadina-Fort York
3:56 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
ah well Gru said he's not sure he wants to run with the socialist alliance in your ward because auma malik is running, so far she seems to have strong grassroots and municipal support--we'll be asking her for platform feedback
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*Asuma
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Hope you're voting for/ already voted for Glover, he's great
3:57 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Indeed, this riding is a lock either way though
3:58 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
*grassroots and institutional
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yeah
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not so federally
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I worked for ONDP calling around when the allegation was made about your MP
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i mean federal NDP
3:59 PM <•ayds> dat boi
I don't really give a shit who represents my ridings as long as they aren't Cons
3:59 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
that's fair
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it's the biggest policy difference
4:00 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Anyway, if you're actually hoping to win an election and not just enjoy a feel-good also-ran I strongly suggest not wasting time on IRC
4:00 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
asuma, glover and cressy, though, were all nowhere to be seen when the cops just ignored council's vote and engaged in those violent encampment evictions--alexander, bellwoods, and lamport 2 -- there are supporters gathering today in allen gardens to resist an eviction notice
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never lol
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haha oh I alwasy diversify my time investments
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righ tnow I"m listening to https://player.captivate.fm/episode/84fbda96-793f-4a3c-9457-10de7167b3e1
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episode 2 will be about ABA controviersies
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jessa comes from the federal NDP
4:01 PM <•ayds> dat boi
So is the idea that the encampments can just stay in the parks permanently?
4:01 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
no
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in the case of allen gardens for example the city said she could wait until she found housing and then went back on their word
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so the idea is not lying
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for one
4:02 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Okay, but what about the other encampments
4:02 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
https://www.facebook.com/TorontoCoalitionForHousing/posts/pfbid0SvzkYcHGdyxCJeRHqHdrMNVfVsEgpCHPEx8YvpPygXuy2kp46hE5W12YmNoRKrcCl
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you can find all the latest news and data about the issue at this facebook page
4:03 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Facebook content is no bueno FYI. I'm not clicking that.
4:03 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
okay I mean it's a video posted there
4:03 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Funny that you're against Presto tracking yet freely push Facebook
4:03 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
the woman was on the news though maybe I cacn find you a youtube video
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haha facebook is a publicity tool
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presto is not -- in fact it's illegal to campaign on the ttc past the turnstiles
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;-)
4:05 PM <•ayds> dat boi
It's a data collection tool for alphabet agencies
4:05 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
that too
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yes
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https://mobile.twitter.com/tor_c_h is updated less often if you use twitter
4:06 PM <•ayds> dat boi
I do not
4:06 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
torch.help links to a video of the press conference we put on outside tory's condo but alaas it is hosted on facebook righ tnow--I was going to upload a copy to rumble as well though
4:08 PM <•ayds> dat boi
So what about the other encampments? Are they expected to let them stay in the parks permanently?
4:08 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
lol tell that to our legal team
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one of our speakers is on the UofT Law Faculty
4:09 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
anyway
4:09 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
indeed
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but on the encmpments, a few points
4:09 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
- there are more vacancies than homeless people
4:09 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Vacancies where?
4:10 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
- there are insufficient spaces in the shelter system
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- homless deaths have doubled in the past year
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vacancies in toronto
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- many causes of death are worse in the shelter system than in parks
4:10 PM <•ayds> dat boi
I'm sure the increase in homeless deaths has _nothing_ to do with fent.
4:10 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
- shelter subsidies cost less than the shelter/hospital/police system that pays for a homless person's lifestyle otherwise
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(This was covered in council by Layton and WOng-Tam)
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I'll discuss that other point only after you watch the conference
4:11 PM <•ayds> dat boi
You still haven't answered the original question. Are they expected to stay there permanently? This is about cops removing them.
4:12 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
are they expected to accept permanent homelessness?
4:12 PM <•ayds> dat boi
That's again dodging the question
4:12 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
not really
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you're missing the point of my reply
4:12 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Your replies were links and details about the shelter system
4:12 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
where does the burden of proof lie?
4:13 PM <•ayds> dat boi
What in the fuck are you even talking about
4:13 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
it is the cops who have to justify their behavior, whic his ocntrary to a UNANIMOUS vote at council to take a 'human rights' approach to encampments--so the police are ignoring what our representatives voted for --because of the city manager's office--chris murray and tracey cook need to be fired.
4:13 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Yes or no, was the city (and the police) supposed to let them stay in the parks permanently?
4:13 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
human rights are permanent
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housing is a human right
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https://right2housingto.ca/
4:14 PM <•ayds> dat boi
Encamping in a communal space like a park is not a human right
4:14 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
not necessarily
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but it depends what housing is available
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since housing is a human right
4:15 PM <•ayds> dat boi
So that is a yes, you think they should be allowed to stay there permanently.
4:15 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
no
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I think enoguh housing should be available that there is no argument for them to be there
4:15 PM <•ayds> dat boi
So then you agree with the cops removing them
4:15 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
no
4:15 PM <•ayds> dat boi
So you think they should have let them encamp another week? A month? A year?
4:15 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
I was arrested by the cosp at lamport along with 30 otehr activists
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Iw as telling the police that they were violating the vote of council
[At this point a channel mod said they hoped the police beat me up next time — no they did not ask if I was injured the first time, although injuries were widespread including my own.]
4:16 PM <adamgoldi> Adam Golding
pleasant, well, I'm done talking to you now
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blocking you